Comments on: Stimulus to Buy Water Heaters http://www.ppcplumbers.com/stimulus-to-buy-water-heaters/ PPCPlumbers are the Professional Wisconsin Plumbers serving customers throughout the Milwaukee, Madison and Janesville areas. Thu, 06 May 2010 16:21:25 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: emergency plumber los angeles http://www.ppcplumbers.com/stimulus-to-buy-water-heaters/comment-page-1/#comment-480 emergency plumber los angeles Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:56:33 +0000 http://www.ppcplumbers.com/?p=292#comment-480 Great Post . Thanks Great Post . Thanks

]]> By: Jeff Kuhn http://www.ppcplumbers.com/stimulus-to-buy-water-heaters/comment-page-1/#comment-473 Jeff Kuhn Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:13:42 +0000 http://www.ppcplumbers.com/?p=292#comment-473 We install a substantial number of tankless watwer heaters. Tankless is not for every application however those who have them are generally very satisfied with them. The key to a successful installation is having a qualified plumbing contractor who knows and understands the proper sizing and installation techniques. We have found that customers purchase a unit at the big box stores and later find out that it was undersized and the gas lines were not properly sized to deliver the proper performance. That leads to a dissatisfied customer and a black eye for the tankless industry. If you are looking for a continuous supply of hot water and an energy efficient way of providing it (93.3% vs 60%) then you will love the tankless experience. Don't buy the tankless based soley on energy efficiency however, because you may use more water now that you have an endless supply. Current rebates have made the purchase much more attractive with up to approx. $1800.00 in rebates. The guarantees on tankless coupled with longer life expectancy make it an easier decission to make. S&K Pump & Plumbing Inc. Jeff Kuhn We install a substantial number of tankless watwer heaters. Tankless is not for every application however those who have them are generally very satisfied with them. The key to a successful installation is having a qualified plumbing contractor who knows and understands the proper sizing and installation techniques. We have found that customers purchase a unit at the big box stores and later find out that it was undersized and the gas lines were not properly sized to deliver the proper performance. That leads to a dissatisfied customer and a black eye for the tankless industry. If you are looking for a continuous supply of hot water and an energy efficient way of providing it (93.3% vs 60%) then you will love the tankless experience. Don’t buy the tankless based soley on energy efficiency however, because you may use more water now that you have an endless supply. Current rebates have made the purchase much more attractive with up to approx. $1800.00 in rebates. The guarantees on tankless coupled with longer life expectancy make it an easier decission to make.
S&K Pump & Plumbing Inc.
Jeff Kuhn

]]> By: Paul The Plumber http://www.ppcplumbers.com/stimulus-to-buy-water-heaters/comment-page-1/#comment-449 Paul The Plumber Fri, 08 May 2009 22:12:41 +0000 http://www.ppcplumbers.com/?p=292#comment-449 Heres my 2 cents Cool (Northern) Climate, Warm (Southern) Climate Next, you should look at your ambient incoming water temperature. If you live in a cold climate, like Wisconsin, your incoming water temperature will likely be much lower than if you live in a warm climate, like Florida. Your best bet is to find out how much temperature rise you will need in order for your hot water to reach the desired heat. If the ambient incoming water temperature for your shower is 65°F, you are using a 2.0 gpm shower, and you want to raise that temperature to 115°F, you will want to look for a Tankless Water Heater that will provide at least a 50°F temperature rise at 2.0 gpm (115°F - 65°F = 50°F). However, if you anticipate additional simultaneous demand, such as the hot water from a sink being used while someone is showering, you will need to add the sink's gpm to the shower's gpm in order to determine your overall gpm demand and then find the temperature rise necessary to meet your overall needs. Incoming Water 60° F Incoming Water 2 gpm Shower 2 gpm Shower Desired Output Water Temperature 110° F Desired Output Water Temperature Tankless Water Heater that produces a 50°F temperature rise at 2 gpm You will need a Tankless Water Heater that produces a 50°F temperature rise at 2 gpm Ok, with that said, It would appear to me that the heater is not going to do as well as a tankless in AZ. Meaning your saving are not as great as you see on the sticker BUT your saving start the minute you crack the shower valve.Average cost of tankless is around 3000.00 some less, some slightly higher.Is this new home or existing??? Heres my 2 cents

Cool (Northern) Climate, Warm (Southern) Climate Next, you should look at your ambient incoming water temperature. If you live in a cold climate, like Wisconsin, your incoming water temperature will likely be much lower than if you live in a warm climate, like Florida. Your best bet is to find out how much temperature rise you will need in order for your hot water to reach the desired heat. If the ambient incoming water temperature for your shower is 65°F, you are using a 2.0 gpm shower, and you want to raise that temperature to 115°F, you will want to look for a Tankless Water Heater that will provide at least a 50°F temperature rise at 2.0 gpm (115°F – 65°F = 50°F). However, if you anticipate additional simultaneous demand, such as the hot water from a sink being used while someone is showering, you will need to add the sink’s gpm to the shower’s gpm in order to determine your overall gpm demand and then find the temperature rise necessary to meet your overall needs.

Incoming Water
60° F
Incoming Water 2 gpm Shower
2 gpm
Shower Desired Output Water Temperature
110° F
Desired Output Water Temperature Tankless Water Heater that produces a 50°F temperature rise at 2 gpm
You will need a Tankless Water Heater that produces a 50°F temperature rise at 2 gpm

Ok, with that said, It would appear to me that the heater is not going to do as well as a tankless in AZ. Meaning your saving are not as great as you see on the sticker BUT your saving start the minute you crack the shower valve.Average cost of tankless is around 3000.00 some less, some slightly higher.Is this new home or existing???

]]> By: Justin Castleman http://www.ppcplumbers.com/stimulus-to-buy-water-heaters/comment-page-1/#comment-448 Justin Castleman Wed, 06 May 2009 13:39:06 +0000 http://www.ppcplumbers.com/?p=292#comment-448 Tankless heaters are often a poor choice in our geographic location (Wisconsin). The install costs can very widely depending on individual site requirements. A high efficiency tank type heater is usually less expensive to buy, install, maintain and are more efficient and qualify for better incentives. Another issue of a tankless heater is it is very difficult to perform water conservation measures, such as an On Demand Return System. Justin Castleman Castleman & Sons, Plumbing Inc. Tankless heaters are often a poor choice in our geographic location (Wisconsin). The install costs can very widely depending on individual site requirements. A high efficiency tank type heater is usually less expensive to buy, install, maintain and are more efficient and qualify for better incentives. Another issue of a tankless heater is it is very difficult to perform water conservation measures, such as an On Demand Return System.
Justin Castleman
Castleman & Sons, Plumbing Inc.

]]> By: dan http://www.ppcplumbers.com/stimulus-to-buy-water-heaters/comment-page-1/#comment-447 dan Tue, 05 May 2009 00:26:38 +0000 http://www.ppcplumbers.com/?p=292#comment-447 what is the average installed cost range of a tankless water heater? what is the average installed cost range of a tankless water heater?

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